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Well Imagine That...apparently the correct hormones make trans people happier

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Lexxi, Common Sense is a rare commodity, especially among politicians! Of course being poisoned for years by the wrong hormones is bad for trans people, and beng forced by society to build a life in the wrong gender sets us up for greater difficulties later on. That the suicide rates for trans people have hardly fallen over the past half century is testimony to the fact we haven't got trans treatment right, but none of these blatantly obvious things are seen by politicians.

I know I tend to harp on this, but the sooner everybody actually accepts that being trans is a medical condition, and we get a universally accepted medical diagnosis, the sooner all these crackpot ideas harming trans people can be swept away.

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Ok, Allie, what you said here is dead on. So, so true! Thanks for stating it so well.

I have a question that I don't know the answer to, but I am trying to figure out. This idea, and I believe it is true, that being trans is a medical condition is not the same as what is being bantered about lately as transmedicalism, correct? I keep hearing this term and no one defines it although many use it. I get the feeling that it refers to those who believe that being trans requires medical steps to be 'truly trans.' Their idea, not mine! I do believe in many forms or degrees of being trans and many possible outcomes to being trans. Somebody in our community setting some arbitrary standard is extremely hurtful. Now, the idea that we don't have a medical reason for being inclined to be some degree of restless (down to outright maddeningly dysphoric) is ridiculous. Nobody consciously chooses such a path. It always amazes me how so many out there know better than trans people, our motivations, our conditions, and our thinking.
 

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It seems as if only 20% of trans people in the US seek surgical intervention. Would that mean that only 20% are really trans if we would believe in the trans medical stuff? I don't think so, because we know that trans is something happening inside the brain, with or without surgery!

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Moni, I have to admit, I had not heard the term transmedicalism, so I looked it up.

Transmedicalism is broadly defined as the belief that being transgender is contingent upon experiencing gender dysphoria or wanting medical treatment to transitioning. Wikipedia

Sadly, there are those who always grab whatever comes up and try to pervert it to their own needs. The science which shows that our brains form differently doesn't dictate what trans people feel or want, it simply makes them not comfortable. Each of us has to interpret this, and I would guess that for most, they don't connect these uncomfortable feelings with being trans til later in life. Some people never make the connection, and blame their bad moods, alcohol and drug dependence on other things.

I believe that all trans people experience dysphoria, but that not all realise it. This is evident in people who realise they are trans later in life, then realise they had experiences throughout their lives which would have indicated dysphoria had they recognised it. For many, dysphoria is a background "noise', for want of a better description, which they hardly notice. But, as we know, it can develop into an overpowering force at any stage.

This variation in the severity of dysphoria explains the variation in the way people are trans, and what they do about it. This can range from someone never realising and living a cis life, to someone realising at a very young age and needing to transition. It can also explain people who need to change something, but not fully transition to the opposite sex, ie, non binary, and gender diverse. In the end, we need to interpret these incomfortable feelings, and apply them to our life situation. Circumstances dictate what we do, and are why 'just 20% seek surgical intervention', but that number is rising as opportunity increases!

I knew from my very first awareness that my brain was incongruent with my body. Notice I didn't say I had the wrong body, as we commonly feel, because my pragmatism could equally say I had the wrong brain! Practically, we don't have a treatment for the biological variation in our brains yet, so changing our bodies is the only path to alignment. So this is why I look forward to the day we have an accepted medical diagnosis for our condition. It will then be clear, our needs will be seen to be legitimate, and we will be the same as all other medical conditions for the provision of treatments. Sadly, the path to diagnosis is disrupted by the many people who try to pervert the process for their own aims.

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Allie
 
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It seems as if only 20% of trans people in the US seek surgical intervention. Would that mean that only 20% are really trans if we would believe in the trans medical stuff? I don't think so, because we know that trans is something happening inside the brain, with or without surgery!

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The real issue @Linde is that some people believe you don't have to have gender dysphoria to be trans, just "identify as other than your birth sex". The problem with that is it precludes diagnosis of a psychopathology , which means no billable ICD code, which means greatly reduced access to health care. So then we get this blowback from those saying "being transgender isn't a disease!", and resent transgenderism being "pathologized".

That may be fine for some people who simply want to dress or act androgynously, but it very adversely affects those who are strongly afflicted with gender dysphoria and desire medical intervention (e.g. people like me).

Being transgender doesn't necessarily mean you want surgery, or hormones, or even want to transition. Maybe you just want to talk to a therapist so you can understand yourself, save your marriage, relate to your friends, or whatever. It does, however, give you a useful label to seek support should you want it. It's the way the medical system works. You have to have something to treat if you want treatment. It's not a moral judgement.

This is why I don't like to be referred to as transgender. I am transsexual: ""of, relating to, or being a person whose gender identity is opposite the sex the person had or was identified as having at birth."

My view is in the minority, I suppose, but as marginalized as we are, I want some control over my narrative.

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I agree entirely with all the comments made in this thread.

However, I have to confess that I had also never heard of transmedicalism.

This term has perhaps neither become common use in either Australia or UK.

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Moni, I have to admit, I had not hear the term transmedicalism, so I looked it up.

Transmedicalism is broadly defined as the belief that being transgender is contingent upon experiencing gender dysphoria or wanting medical treatment to transitioning. Wikipedia

Sadly, there are those who always grab whatever comes up and try to pervert it to their own needs. The science which shows that our brains form differently doesn't dictate what trans people feel or want, it simply makes them not comfortable. Each of us has to interpret this, and I would guess that for most, they don't connect these uncomfortable feelings with being trans til later in life. Some people never make the connection, and blame their bad moods, alcohol and drug dependence on other things.

I believe that all trans people experience dysphoria, but that not all realise it. This is evident in people who realise they are trans later in life, then realise they had experiences throughout their lives which would have indicated dysphoria had they recognised it. For many, dysphoria is a background "noise', for want of a better description, which they hardly notice. But, as we know, it can develop into an overpowering force at any stage.

This variation in the severity of dysphoria explains the variation in the way people are trans, and what they do about it. This can range from someone never realising and living a cis life, to someone realising at a very young age and needing to transition. It can also explain people who need to change something, but not fully transition to the opposite sex, ie, non binary, and gender diverse. In the end, we need to interpret these incomfortable feelings, and apply them to our life situation. Circumstances dictate what we do, and are why just 20% seek surgical intervention, but that number is rising as opportunity increases!

I knew from my very first awareness that my brain was incongruent with my body. Notice I didn't say I had the wrong body, as we commonly feel, because my pragmatism could equally say I had the wrong brain! Practically, we don't have a treatment for the biological variation in our brains yet, so changing our bodies is the only path to alignment. So this is why I look forward to the day we have an accepted medical diagnosis for our condition. It will then be clear, our needs will be seen to be legitimate, and we will be the same as all other medical conditions for the provision of treatments. Sadly, the path to diagnosis is disrupted by the many people who try to pervert the process for their own aims.

Hugs,

Allie
@OzGirl I guess I am a transmedicalist, aka "truscum". Just for fun, you ought to look up "tucutes". It's just eff-ing bizarre how things have devolved. The trans community is being overrun by a bunch of self-serving snowflakes.
 
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I agree entirely with all the comments made in this thread.

However, I have to confess that I had also never heard of transmedicalism.

This term has perhaps neither become common use in either Australia or UK.

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Pamela xx
You can find this stuff on reddit, @pamelatransuk. There are entire subreddits devoted to truscum/tucute arguments. Trust me, you're not missing anything. It's a dumpster fire.

~Terri
 
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@OzGirl I guess I am a transmedicalist, aka "truscum". Just for fun, you ought to look up "tucutes". It's just eff-ing bizarre how things have devolved. The trans community is being overrun by a bunch of self-serving snowflakes.
Terri, I just believe that each person has to find what is best for them. I have no idea what group this puts me in. I am not a purist where I demand any real levels of standards that leave people out in the cold to be looked down upon. I do fight with myself sometimes with things like drag. I don't relate or want to be viewed as that, but I believe I shouldn't look down on it either. The whole division (truscum-tucute thing) is still quite confusing to me. I also think the evangelical haters (not all evangelicals mind you), and the super conservative, right wingers get great joy out of seeing us divide amongst ourselves.
 
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Terri, all what I know, transsexual seems to be an outdated term. It seems to be only used in the medical field to indicate those persons who are up for genital surgery.


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Terri, I don't argue about your self definition, in fact, I could self describe the same way, as a transsexual. I think there are benefits and drawbacks to both specifics and umbrella terms. All I know is @Lexxi started this thread, so it is all her fault. (Sorry I derailed it! Well, that's a lie!)

As for this division in the 'Kingdom of Trans,' I've done a little more reading. What I understand is that 'truscum' wants to separate out from individuals who might be just toying around with gender roles for fun rather than out of necessity. In this toxic society, I kind of understand this desire to be viewed as a group separate because the stories are very different. The 'tucute' (formed from the idea of 'too cute') group believes there are many different valid ways to express gender and all are valid. Do I have this anywhere close? It is a real mess, isn't it? I see myself in both philosophies to some degree. I have community with people like me who have faced paralyzing dysphoria. I don't want to be seen as a drag performer or non binary or someone, anyone but who I am. I'm not in those groups. But, I have seen and gotten extremely upset at the LGB groups that want to toss us T's aside because it makes them 'less legitimate.' It steams me when I run across a young transitioner who claims older transitioners are 'autogynawhatevers' and claim they are the true princesses of the Kingdom of Trans. So, for me to toss anybody to the wind, question their trans credentials, seems way wrong. It just seems to me, there is always some person who has to draw things to an absolute extreme ('What if I identify as a cumquat?') just to cause trouble. If I condemn haters and bigots, how can I invalidate anyone's self identity without treading in that territory myself? I must be a 'trumoni' or, as @KimOct calls me, a 'truidiot.' I aspire to be a 'trucuteidiot' but I don't feel pretty today! Can't we all just get along?
 

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Terri, all what I know, transsexual seems to be an outdated term. It seems to be only used in the medical field to indicate those persons who are up for genital surgery.


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Yes, that is more or less the current narrative. I reject their rejection. I am gender binary and transsexual. Source: me.
 

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What I understand is that 'truscum' wants to separate out from individuals who might be just toying around with gender roles for fun rather than out of necessity. In this toxic society, I kind of understand this desire to be viewed as a group separate because the stories are very different. The 'tucute' (formed from the idea of 'too cute') group believes there are many different valid ways to express gender and all are valid. Do I have this anywhere close?
To me, this isn't about what's "valid" or freedom of expression. The problem is that this narrative provides fuel for those who regard transgender/transsexual people as either mentally ill or engaging in some self-serving fantasy, e.g., "Today I choose to feel like a girl". I feel it trivializes the pain and frustration that many of us have lived with our whole lives, something we were born with.

It is a real mess, isn't it? I see myself in both philosophies to some degree. I have community with people like me who have faced paralyzing dysphoria. I don't want to be seen as a drag performer or non binary or someone, anyone but who I am. I'm not in those groups. But, I have seen and gotten extremely upset at the LGB groups that want to toss us T's aside because it makes them 'less legitimate.' It steams me when I run across a young transitioner who claims older transitioners are 'autogynawhatevers' and claim they are the true princesses of the Kingdom of Trans. So, for me to toss anybody to the wind, question their trans credentials, seems way wrong.
They can have their "credentials", just don't put me in the same group with them. Unfortunately I won't get that choice when Fox News gets into a frenzy about "men in girls bathrooms", or whatever. To the vast majority of society, transgender = men in dresses (trans men don't seem to exist, but that's another subject) who are pedophiles, sexual predators, or flat-out weirdos.

I am not against those who would dress androgynously or choose to be blatantly nonconformist in their sexual or gender identity, but I don't want to be lumped in with them. I am gender binary and identify exclusively as female. I live in stealth mode as just another old lady, and that's the way I like it.
 

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Wow! All very good commentary. I have to side with Terri in that, I have always considered myself as a binary transsexual woman, and consider the term transgender as an umbrella reference, outdated terminology or not. I understand the change was due to those that believe the term transsexual was offensive. Did we adopt this ideal because we were afraid of further offending others? OMG! Lexxi! What have you started?

'Transsexualism' removed from World Health Organization's disease manual (nbcnews.com)
 
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Yes, that is more or less the current narrative. I reject their rejection. I am gender binary and transsexual. Source: me.
I don't like the transsexual term, because it implies sexuality as the only reason of me being a woman (my interpretation). But as a sexually mostly inactive person, it puts me into a box I don't belong in. I am also monogam and binary, but I don't see the connection to transsexual?

I have the luxury to be able to live as a cis woman among cis women, and I am a member in our local LGBTQI++ group, in which, as far as I know, I am the only woman who is not natal. They accept intersex as being the same as natal. I hang out with some TERFs once in a while, because of my sexual orientation. Most of those TERF's have nothing against trans women, as log as they don't force themselves onto them. The anti trans sentiment of most of them was formed by the media, and radical organizations. I don't know how one could convince them that trans women are just normal women, because the influence of Fox , etc. is so strong I hope that time will change this.


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Wow! All very good commentary. I have to side with Terri in that, I have always considered myself as a binary transsexual woman, and consider the term transgender as an umbrella reference, outdated terminology or not. I understand the change was due to those that believe the term transsexual was offensive. Did we adopt this ideal because we were afraid of further offending others? OMG! Lexxi! What have you started?

'Transsexualism' removed from World Health Organization's disease manual (nbcnews.com)
Wow this is great stuff, Donica. Apparently Linde pulled some strings at WHO, and transsexualism no longer exists. Fine. I am now "gender incongruent", but I find the term unsatisfying.

Although it may be two halves of the same coin, I never liked any term that expressed a problem or change in my gender (especially "Gender Reassignment Surgery". Ugh!). It's my biological sex I wanted to change, not my gender. That's why I always preferred to be identified as transsexual.

My gender preference was known to me ever since I was able to tell the difference between girls and boys, and gender therapy made it clear that gender identity was an innate property I have always had but didn't really understand. That's not surprising I guess; most people do not even make a distinction between sex and gender, as 99.9% of the time they are practically interchangeable.
 

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Well strange as it may seem, I am going to agree with part of both of your comments.

I agree completely with your first para, Linde, as I truly believe sexuality is a different matter to gender or sex. I have been sexually inactive for years and, although one can never say " never", I do not see it changing and nor do I wish it to change from that which I have always been "Mainly asexual with minor lesbian tendencies". Of course I did not in my previous state use the term "lesbian" but I know that is what I have to that minor degree always been.

I agree completely with your last para, Terri, as I have seen myself as a girl since the age of 4 and by age of 7 was praying to be made a girl. This is most certainly to me an innate internal feeling which I always have known and always will retain and treasure.

You probably know ( but other readers may not) that surgical intervention was always my intention after starting transition and I had the surgery last June which has improved my overall attitude to life emotionally and physically.

Best wishes to you both and to other contributors to this thread.

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Because the boxes have changed so many times over the 65 years I have known I am trans (also a term which doesn't fit me) I cannot subscribe to any definition as I am simply different to them all. I know the WHO carefully chose the term Gender Incongruent so it would serve a number of purposes and conditions, as a worldwide body needs to. I can relate to being Gender Incongruent, as my gender never matched my biological sex, but as I can never see myself as a woman, I am not transitioning to anywhere, just doing what I need to quell dysphoria. I socially live under the transgender umbrella so that others can somewhat relate to me. I am just ME!

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The official name for my condition DSD (Disorder of Sex Development), generally called Intersex.
I never had (knowingly) dysphoria, because there was no real incongruence between my body and my brain. Prior to puberty I did not even know that my body was different to that of my peers. The first 6 years of my life I lived as a girl anyway.
My confusion started at puberty, when my peers changed into men, and nothing happened with me. But I really wanted to be a guy, and I lived as a very feminine looking man for many years, and my life was great, because I was married to the best woman in the world.
at that time, I had no real gender awareness, because I knew that I was neither a male, nor a female. I did not have all the struggles I read about here, I was simply me.
after my body developed more female, I made myself on the journey to change over to a female presentation, because I had a hard time to sell the male one. Over the years, I felt more and more female, and consider myself now 100% female. I hang out as a cis woman among other cis women, because my chromosomes, my phenotype, and my gender match each other for the first time in my life!

I consider myself to have arrived, and there is nothing anymore to transition for me. probably just a bit fine tuning is left for the woman I am.


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