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As many of you might know, I more or less lost my voice around June/July 2019 as a result of a really bad bronchitis with an associated laryngitis.  The bronchitis did heal out, but my voice never came back, and used to sound like a rusty chain saw.  I finally was seen by a voice pathologist, and she found that my vocal cords did not close in the middle, they were kind of bowed, and one cord was much thicker than the other.  They were pretty sure that lots of physical therapy could get me my voice back.  I am now doing this therapy, by trying to stretch the vocal cords so they will close again.
I have to create a lot of EEEEEEEEEE, HHEHEEE ,MMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEE MMMMMMMEEEE, PPPPEEEEEEE, and similar sounds, and amazingly, my voice starts to get higher already for short periods during a conversation.

My average is now around 228 Hz, with the low average around 210 Hz, and the high average around 250 Hz, and my maximum is 299 Hz!
I am very encouraged by these results, because this brings my voice well back into the female voice range.  I have an appointment once a week with the pathologist, and she hopes that my voice is nice and clear again by end of February.

I am lucky that I do not have to work on my speech pattern, cause this stayed female all the time, I just have to get a female sounding voice back, and I am on the way to this.
 

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[member=2]Linde[/member] , when I met you this summer your voice sounded very strained. At the time I knew nothing about any of this, but it makes sense now. I'm glad your doctors have you on the path to healing.
 

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[member=2]Linde[/member] , when I met you this summer your voice sounded very strained. At the time I knew nothing about any of this, but it makes sense now. I'm glad your doctors have you on the path to healing.
Talking a  lot is very hard for me, because a lot of the air flows unused through the open gap between my vocal cords.  I have to push way more air up to be able to generate speech, and this is very tiring for my voice box.  But it seems to get slowly better with my exercises.

I also have still a hard time to remove all the mucous from my vocal cords, and that makes my voice sound a little raspy.  I am looking forward to the day that people n the phone do not call me anymore "Sir".  It does not create dysphoria for me, cause I know that it will go away again, but I still don't like it!
 

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Linde said:
Talking a  lot is very hard for me, because a lot of the air flows unused through the open gap between my vocal cords.  I have to push way more air up to be able to generate speech, and this is very tiring for my voice box.  But it seems to get slowly better with my exercises.

I also have still a hard time to remove all the mucous from my vocal cords, and that makes my voice sound a little raspy.  I am looking forward to the day that people n the phone do not call me anymore "Sir".  It does not create dysphoria for me, cause I know that it will go away again, but I still don't like it!

My therapist told me always - if appropriate - to say my full name when calling or answering the phone to tell the other party a woman is speaking.
After a long day of phone calls and conference calls I have a hard time to sound convincing anymore and then I try to make it better with https://www.gelorevoice.at/
 

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I was practicing a lot throughout November and part of December, but got lazy the last few weeks.

The inability to sound correct after several hours (as Thessa pointed out) is a big problem. I have wonder if VFS helps with that, and also if it helps with sounding feminine when coughing, sneezing, and other situations where you're not speaking but are making sounds.

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Katie said:
I was practicing a lot throughout November and part of December, but got lazy the last few weeks.

The inability to sound correct after several hours (as Thessa pointed out) is a big problem. I have wonder if VFS helps with that, and also if it helps with sounding feminine when coughing, sneezing, and other situations where you're not speaking but are making sounds.

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What I noticed; when I have a lot of stress my voice drops.
Now that I lost a big junk of responsibilities in Autumn I instantly sounded more feminine.
I also learned how to cough, sneeze and clear my throat in therapy still it's constantly a thing to think about and it's not naturally coming all the time.
Regarding Surgery I once commented on this Reddit thread
 
 

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Thessa said:
My therapist told me always - if appropriate - to say my full name when calling or answering the phone to tell the other party a woman is speaking.
After a long day of phone calls and conference calls I have a hard time to sound convincing anymore and then I try to make it better with https://www.gelorevoice.at/
Telling my name does not help any, because nobody knows that Dietlind is a female name.  Those pills sound good, an I will see if something similar is available here.
I never had a deep, manly voice, and was always in the androgynous range as a man.  It was very easy for me to get a little higher in pitch, and have a female voice.  Until the laryngitis broke everything and misshaped my vocal cords.  i am now trying to get thoe babbes in shape again and to sound like a nightingale!
 

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Katie said:
I was practicing a lot throughout November and part of December, but got lazy the last few weeks.

The inability to sound correct after several hours (as Thessa pointed out) is a big problem. I have wonder if VFS helps with that, and also if it helps with sounding feminine when coughing, sneezing, and other situations where you're not speaking but are making sounds.

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Having your voice sounding female simply becomes a habit.  I was so used to it that I sounded female in the morning waking up or calling the dog, etc.  Once the muscles of your voice box are used to sit in a different position (he female one), they build up a memory for this position, and it will become the new "home position" for your voice.
Training to get the other sounds into the female range is just work to memorize that>
If you would hear our admin Sparkles, or Natalie_Rene, you would never think about the fact that either of those ladies had a pretty low guy voce.  They came to their voices by working with it, not any surgery was requires, just hard work!
 

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Linde said:
Having your voice sounding female simply becomes a habit.  I was so used to it that I sounded female in the morning waking up or calling the dog, etc.  Once the muscles of your voice box are used to sit in a different position (he female one), they build up a memory for this position, and it will become the new "home position" for your voice.
Training to get the other sounds into the female range is just work to memorize that>
If you would hear our admin Sparkles, or Natalie_Rene, you would never think about the fact that either of those ladies had a pretty low guy voce.  They came to their voices by working with it, not any surgery was requires, just hard work!

One of my main issue is that if I have a discussion with my teenage daughter very often I fall completely back into my old voice and then sometimes it get's really hard to fall back into the female version. What I miss the most is that a lot of people told me back in the days that I have such a beautiful voice and now my new voice is far away from a beautiful female voice *sigh*
 

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I can speak in a passable female voice, but I can't go back and forth between male and female or I struggle to find my pitch again. I'm going full time officially mid April, so I am taking 2 weeks off work prior to only use my female voice to try to lock it in. I will try very hard not to revert back to my male voice again. I don't have a voice therapist near me, so I have to try to get through by recording myself and playing it back.

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I can speak in a passable female voice, but I can't go back and forth between male and female or I struggle to find my pitch again. I'm going full time officially mid April, so I am taking 2 weeks off work prior to only use my female voice to try to lock it in. I will try very hard not to revert back to my male voice again. I don't have a voice therapist near me, so I have to try to get through by recording myself and playing it back.

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Neither Sparkles nor Rene like to fall back into their male voices.  Both girls live as women now for almost two decades, and it is hard for them to talk with their male voices now. I did not like to talk in my male voice anymore either (but my pitch was not that different), because I wanted to leave this behind, and there was no need for it.  These days i can't talk male or female, but just rusty old chain saw!
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I've never worked on my voice but I probably should start.  Phone is where I get misgendered the most, even though I've started answering at work with "this is Tonya" rather than "this is the pharmacist".

It would give me something to focus on after I finally get scheduled for my GCS.



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Voice changes everything.  Any doubts one might have about you get squashed if you sound the part.

I had a hard time at first maintaining pitch over a long period of talking.  But that improved with time and I haven't dropped into my old pitch in a couple of years now.  I have no desire to swap back and forth.

VFS would make maintaining pitch easier but there's the other, and I say bigger, side of the issue: prosody.  Guys and girls modulate their voices differently.  Guys tend to be more monotone and abrupt, girls have a smoother flow and more melodic quality.  No surgery can change how you do that, it's something you need to learn.  If you get VFS and ignore speech patterns, you're going to sound like a guy with a squeaky voice.

Of course there's the other issue buried in there: trying too hard.  You don't have to make every sentence sound like a question.  (well you could but you'll sound like an airhead) 

One example I could think of is the girl who does counterpoints on youtube.  At least the video of hers I watched a year or so ago (I don't follow t00b channels) was a beautiful example of trying too hard and sounding like the stereotypical effeminate gay guy.  (well for her it was a combination of resonance issues and trying way too hard with speech patterns but anyway)  It's a difficult balance to strike and involves a lot of careful observation of women when they talk and emulating it.


Are you going to screw up in incredibly embarrassing ways?  Yep.  I sure did.  But it gets better with practice and a good coach is a great help.
 

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And observing women how they talk to each other is the key.  Nature made me into the guy who talked with a rather high voice, and that made it very easy for me to switch to a female pitch.  But observation was what did it for me.  For the last 10 or 15 years, I live mostly among females only, and this constant exposure converted my male way to speak into the female way. With my current crappy voice, I still don't misgenderd if I speak whole sentences as part of a conversation, I am just another woman with a crappy voice!  But on the phone, when I just say a few words, and the system cuts off the few high notes I can still master, I get misgendered all the time!
 

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I am a good girl, and am doing my daily voice exercises with the ee,hee, mee, and pee sounds.  My frequency gets pretty high up there, I now reach a top of over 300 Hz, without sounding like Mickey Mouse, and my general average is around 243 Hz, while the lowest I can get is 224 Hz.  This means , as long as i can restrict my conversation to those sounds, I am in the upper female range.  However, it would be hard to converse about anything important being restricted to different versions of those sounds.

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Voice changes everything. Any doubts one might have about you get squashed if you sound the part.

I had a hard time at first maintaining pitch over a long period of talking. But that improved with time and I haven't dropped into my old pitch in a couple of years now. I have no desire to swap back and forth.

VFS would make maintaining pitch easier but there's the other, and I say bigger, side of the issue: prosody. Guys and girls modulate their voices differently. Guys tend to be more monotone and abrupt, girls have a smoother flow and more melodic quality. No surgery can change how you do that, it's something you need to learn. If you get VFS and ignore speech patterns, you're going to sound like a guy with a squeaky voice.

Of course there's the other issue buried in there: trying too hard. You don't have to make every sentence sound like a question. (well you could but you'll sound like an airhead)

One example I could think of is the girl who does counterpoints on youtube. At least the video of hers I watched a year or so ago (I don't follow t00b channels) was a beautiful example of trying too hard and sounding like the stereotypical effeminate gay guy. (well for her it was a combination of resonance issues and trying way too hard with speech patterns but anyway) It's a difficult balance to strike and involves a lot of careful observation of women when they talk and emulating it.


Are you going to screw up in incredibly embarrassing ways? Yep. I sure did. But it gets better with practice and a good coach is a great help.

I just noticed this thread, and I am just chiming in to concur with much of this. Pitch is not everything, and VFS will only change your pitch, not your resonance. I took several sessions of transgender voice training at a local university and that was very helpful. However, you don't have to have professional training to help with your voice. There are several apps for your phone you can get to do lessons and monitor your progress. One of them is VoiceUp, and while the lessons are $20 (versus $50-250 per session for professional voice therapists), you can use the free app to evaluate your voice.

Here are my results from yesterday:



My pitch is not that high, but the software genders my speaking voice to be overwhelmingly feminine. I guess the message I want to get across is don't despair if you have a lower pitched voice. You can definitely pass with a little training!

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Terri, I am kind of lucky that I had a bad bronchitis and laryngitis last summer, which damaged my vocal cords to some extent. This had nothing to do with trans, because I talked in a female range prior to the sickness. Because of this, I was "prescribed" sessions with a PhD voice pathologist. The doctor (an older woman) and I hit it off pretty well, and we talked about the difficulties for trans women to talk better in a female range. At that time, anybody who could not see m, would gender me male.
That said, I was at about the same point an average trans woman is who did no voice training. The doc agreed that I could keep all the worksheets, and use them to help trans women. My current voice is around 202 to 215 Hz as mid range. Some here have heard my previous male voice, and probably can attest to the difference this training made. I can shout and sing in my female voice, and most important, the sounds I produce when I yawn or cough, are clearly in the female range.
She also gave me some training material to get the female sound of speaking, not only the pitch. I did not really think about this, because i live with females only for the last 10 years or so, and I picked the speech pattern up this way. But one can learn it really easy, if one follows the science behind it.

I plan to more or less copy the training I was given, and help people who are interested in improving their voice to get to this point. As you know, it is a lot of work, and one has to be dedicated to work on ones voice. But the end result is very rewarding, as you know Terri, not being misgendered on the phone feels great!


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Hi Linde,

You are so lucky with regard to your natural pitch being so high. Shouting or coughing definitely reveals my AMAB origins. There is nothing I can do about that.

Yes, the "phone test" is my baseline. I rarely get misgendered on the phone, despite my gender-ambiguous first name. And you are right that voice training takes some effort. I have been told it's a lot like singing lessons- it takes a lot of work to be good at it. Fortunately for me I was able to hear differences in the first few weeks and I have now retrained my throat muscles to retain female characteristics.

To others reading this thread, I wanted to say that once you get to that point, it doesn't take any effort to keep it there. People forget that they had to learn how to talk as a baby. No one thinks about how they use their throat muscles to speak after that. It's the same thing with voice training. Once you "re-learn" how to speak, it becomes how you speak, period. You don't have to try to do it.

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Yes, Terri, it is extra work for me now to try to sound like a man. And when I demo my old male voice, I first have to search for the low level that is comfy enough to speak in. I think my natural speaking level was always in the androgynus range, and I had to learn to speak in a lower male level the same,as I had to learn to speak in a female level, which now has become the home position for my larynx.

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Hi Terri,

I just wanted you to know that I downloaded VoiceUp and like it so far. I did want to ask if you purchased the lessons? If so, how did you like them, and do you find them really helpful? Are they worth the money?

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