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Tallulah

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Hi! For those who haven't met me, I'm a vocal coach (and SLP in Texas) who provides gender aligning voice training. If anyone has any questions or wants to talk about voice I am always happy to chat voice :)
 

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Hi! For those who haven't met me, I'm a vocal coach (and SLP in Texas) who provides gender aligning voice training. If anyone has any questions or wants to talk about voice I am always happy to chat voice :)
Thanks for that and lovely to meet you!

I did have a question regarding voice. It's easy for me to find a bit of information about how to change voice to masculine to feminine in range and style, but very very little on feminine to masculine. Do you have any advice in that department? (outside of HRT of course, that obviously helps cuz it can thicken the vocal cords I think)
 

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@Tallulah , it was nice to meet you on the Zoom last night. I must say that you are a great advertisement for your services. Your voice is lovely!
 

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Definitely something I'd like to do. Need to find the motivation to devote the time and effort. I always seem to be focused elsewhere
 

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Tallulah, you may get swamped with questions here as most of us have voice issues. I need to get on top of a phlegm issue with my doctor before tackling voice, and it’s worse this week in hospital. It is so nice to have you with us, and I really love your enthusiasm!

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Allie
 

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Sorry I missed you on Zoom!
 

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Thanks for that and lovely to meet you!

I did have a question regarding voice. It's easy for me to find a bit of information about how to change voice to masculine to feminine in range and style, but very very little on feminine to masculine. Do you have any advice in that department? (outside of HRT of course, that obviously helps cuz it can thicken the vocal cords I think)
Thanks for asking! T thickens vocal folds, which will help drop your pitch (your F0- the frequency which with the vocal folds vibrate at) and give your voice a buzzy quality. These qualities will increase over time as your folds thicken. There is a lot more to the listener's perception of voice gender than pitch and buzz- that's most of why before puberty AFAB and AMAB sound different (there is a small difference in resonance from the difference in resonant chamber size). You can work on lowering your larynx height, using more of your vocal folds during speech (to get more buzz), and opening your mouth more as you speak (to darken your articulation). You can also change the window dressing- the non-voice parts. These will vary by culture, and I recognize that there are a lot of cultures here! Here in America stereotypical masculine speech is characterized as using indirect language, less precise/light articulation, a slower rate, a more monotone intonation with pitch downdrift (flat/fermata), and use of increased volume for stress. I hope that helps!
 

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Definitely something I'd like to do. Need to find the motivation to devote the time and effort. I always seem to be focused elsewhere
When you're ready, it's something you can work on :)
 

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When you're ready, it's something you can work on :)
Might be ready sooner than I thought. Got misgendered in person twice this week after not having it happen for a long time. I didn't speak much but it had to be a factor.
 

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Tallulah, you may get swamped with questions here as most of us have voice issues. I need to get on top of a phlegm issue with my doctor before tackling voice, and it’s worse this week in hospital. It is so nice to have you with us, and I really love your enthusiasm!

Hugs,

Allie
Since your website doesn't email me when I get responses I don't think I'll get swamped :). I'm happy to answer questions when I'm visiting. Here is my cheat sheet about vocal hygiene in case it will help. I find my clients often can thin their mucus/have less irritated vocal folds if they are well hydrated and managing their allergies and reflux. Surgery makes things wonky though sometimes- fortunately though on Friday I didn't hear any signs your folds had been nicked during intubation.
 

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Might be ready sooner than I thought. Got misgendered in person twice this week after not having it happen for a long time. I didn't speak much but it had to be a factor.
Not wanting to be misgendered is the most common thing my clients tell me when we start working together.
 

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Since your website doesn't email me when I get responses I don't think I'll get swamped :). I'm happy to answer questions when I'm visiting. Here is my cheat sheet about vocal hygiene in case it will help. I find my clients often can thin their mucus/have less irritated vocal folds if they are well hydrated and managing their allergies and reflux. Surgery makes things wonky though sometimes- fortunately though on Friday I didn't hear any signs your folds had been nicked during intubation.
Thanks for that information Tallulah! The nurses have been telling me all week I don’t drink enough! They asked me if I had any expensive dental work prior to putting me under, explaining that inserting the airway can damage teeth, but I never considered damage to vocal folds! I hope @Linde is aware of this!

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Allie, I was not aware of this. I will point out that I have vocal cord implants during my preop tomorrow,and to the anesthetist prior to my surgery.

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Hi Tallulah, I wondered if you would be on Zoom again any time soon. I also wanted to know if you deal with adjustment of resonance for trans women. I've been to a speech therapist and it helped me some, but she admitted to not dealing with resonance changing exercises. When I am able to speak in the front of my mouth instead of from my throat, I can sound better. So much of voice retraining is the mental battle of being disciplined and consistent.
 

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Hi Tallulah, I wondered if you would be on Zoom again any time soon. I also wanted to know if you deal with adjustment of resonance for trans women. I've been to a speech therapist and it helped me some, but she admitted to not dealing with resonance changing exercises. When I am able to speak in the front of my mouth instead of from my throat, I can sound better. So much of voice retraining is the mental battle of being disciplined and consistent.
Yes, I do many things for adjustment of resonance for trans women: laryngeal elevation, twang, OEP constriction, tongue carriage forward/elevation for vowels, etc. You're basically reshaping your cavities shape and size to get a different resonant quality. I do intend to join y'all again on Zoom, and I also do private vocal coaching.
 

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hi, im desperatly trying to deepen my voice as it is at the top of the female range. the problem is i have cerebral palsy and functional neurological disorder (basically my brain is constantly malfunctioning) and i never know how my voice is going to come out (both volume and pitch). it is very difficult to controll it enough to deepen it and get it to stay there. i have the most controll when singing and i can get it deepest when singing. will testosterone (hopefully i will get it soon) help with that at all?
 

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Sam, T should eventually deepen your voice, but there are no guarantees. A lot depends on your biology, and the skill of your doctor. T generally has a more pronounced effect for FTM than E does for MTF, but you have to wait and see!

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hi, im desperatly trying to deepen my voice as it is at the top of the female range. the problem is i have cerebral palsy and functional neurological disorder (basically my brain is constantly malfunctioning) and i never know how my voice is going to come out (both volume and pitch). it is very difficult to controll it enough to deepen it and get it to stay there. i have the most controll when singing and i can get it deepest when singing. will testosterone (hopefully i will get it soon) help with that at all?
Hi Sam! T thickens your vocal folds, which can add more of a buzzy and darker quality to your voice. Sometimes voice pitch drops quickly, sometimes it can take a year or more. I am not aware of any predictor variables for how fast T will change your voice. There are many aspects of your voice pitch and resonance you can work on in the meantime- lowering your larynx, twang, OEP opening, tongue carriage lower/back, pitch lowering exercises. There are also a lot of aspects to voice and communication that are separate that you can modify to suit how you want your voice to sound- how fast you speak, how clear your articulation is, what language you choose, what intonation pattern you use, etc.
 

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Sam, I had a similar voice situation with my vocal cord paralysis. My problem could be corrected with surgical intervention. You might need to work with an experienced voce pathologist, like Tallulah, who is a member here.

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