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Dena said:
Unlike most of you I didn't have a need for site as my transition was long over by the time I discovered the site. I found it doing research for voice surgery. I already knew that surgery was possible in Korea but I wanted an option closer to home.

Hi [member=4]Dena[/member]

So did you have a voice surgery somewhere closer to home? If so, did they use the same method that's used in Korea? I think that might be called the Yeson method or something similar. [member=15]LizK[/member] was the one who taught me about it.

I'm going to have to have surgery eventually to "fix" my voice and that's the method I want, I just don't want to go to Korea to get it.

Were you happy with your surgery if you had it? Were your results flawless or were there difficulties you had to go through to get it right?

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[member=9]Lexxi[/member] , I expect that some folks still have contact with Kendra from SP that had the surgery you speak of done in S Korea a couple of years ago. She had lots to say and share about it, all positive. I am not aware of anyone stateside that offers that effective and thorough a procedure. If anyone knows of such it would be great to hear their stories.
 

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After I heard Natalie_Rene over on SP talk in her now natural female voice, and later, when we were friends, she gave me an example of how low her male voice used to be, I could hardly believe that this was the same person.  A little Later I heard another transwoman talk with her base male voice, and a very pleasant female voice, I came  to the conclusion that surgery is not always the best solution.
I thought that I was blessed to have a pretty high pitch natural voice, until last summer, when a terrible bronchitis destroyed my vocal ability!

I had a voice like a smoking lumberjack, and rough like an old chainsaw.  I was sir'ed on the phone all the time.  Since my voice problem was caused by sickness, the health insurance is paying for a voice pathologist to work with me to sound like a female again.  I see the therapist once a week, for about two months now.
I did my voice exercise today and tested my voice with the voice ap on android, with the Dorian Grey text.  And low and behold, I am back again in the solid female range, actually better than I was before.
If done with the right exercise, my voice pathologist is of the opinion that surgery is not required.  I had fully deformed vocal cords, and they are looking pretty nice again>
One has to remember, after any vocal cord surgery, on has to do a lot therapy to get the vocal cords working again.  Why not doing this prior to surgery?

And if interest is here among our members, I can work with other women on Skype to do those exercises that helped me a lot!

Just let's see if we can do this as another part of our services here!


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Yeson Voice Center has perhaps the most reputable vocal feminization surgery technique in the world. However, it is well worth your time and effort to attempt to achieve a feminine voice naturally through training exercises.

About a year ago or so I was interested in the possibility of utilizing VFS to achieve a feminine voice. From the videos I watched, Yeson prefers that you already have some voice therapy under your belt, and you continue with rigorous voice training after the surgery. So it's good to start with a therapist before you even get serious about surgery.

Many ladies can achieve a good voice without surgery. There is a member on here who isn't active, named Sparkles, who had amazing results without surgery. I'm coming along pretty well with just YouTube videos and trial and error. Many others have had good results as well.
 

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[member=2]Linde[/member] what app do you use?
 

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If there is a specific procedure you want, you will probably need to go to that surgeon. I have studied several of them and each seems to have their own twist on voice surgery. Yeson uses botox in nearly every patient and I have yet to find another surgeon who does that. My surgeon was Dr Haben in New York and he has an option of combining two surgeries to deal with really difficult voice problems. As low as my starting voice was, I thought I might need both procedures however I was able to get by with the non invasive surgery. The pitch gain was more than was expected or promised and I am near the golden 220 HZ for the average female voice. This was with a starting trained voice of 130 HZ and a much lower natural voice.

I am not going to say one surgeon is better than another because all surgeons at one time or another has had problems. There is a risk to surgery and because of that, it's best to try therapy before hand. Therapy will tell you what you have to start out with and what to ask the surgeon for. An honest surgeon will tell you what is possible and from there you can decide if you want to use that surgeon. Yeson and Haben have both had many happy customers and there is another in Europe that I haven't heard much about lately. I am looking at a fourth to add to the list. I have known about this surgeon for a long time but I wasn't impressed with previous results. He has changed his procedures and I am wait to learn more about the current results.
 

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I am using Vioce Ap Voice Pitch analyser from the Google Ap store.  I am using the free version, it is good enough for my voice testing.

After  Ambe told me that my voice is female again, I tested it today with the ap, and I am pretty happy with my voice, considering that I am a woman who is well over the 70th birthday!
Take a look what dedicated voice training can do!




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I was finally able to get the free Voice Pitch analyzer downloaded on my phone. So I've been playing around with that. I have an expensive piece of equipment on my computer that's used for recording music and vocals, but it takes some kind of damn sound engineer to understand.

No I mean a REAL sound engineer. I bought it thinking I could fiddle around with it and be able to make and record music with it, but it's WAY beyond anything I can understand at the moment. I've also got a very nice professional microphone too and was hoping to incorporate both of those into voice therapy...but alas that's not to be.

So I'm just stuck recording things on my phone and I don't really like the quality of it's recording capabilities.
 

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There is a free program that you can record voice to your computer with, and analyze it, it is called WavePad.  But it is more complicated than the Voice Pitch analyzer, which does no record audio, just analyzes it.

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Tia said:
[member=9]Lexxi[/member] , I expect that some folks still have contact with Kendra from SP that had the surgery you speak of done in S Korea a couple of years ago. She had lots to say and share about it, all positive. I am not aware of anyone stateside that offers that effective and thorough a procedure. If anyone knows of such it would be great to hear their stories.

Hi Tia,

You know what?? I actually remember when Kendra went and had her surgery. I think I had just come out and started on the other site. It might have been a month or two after I came out that she had her surgery.

Thanks for kicking my memory in.

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I'm still getting over some sinus junk and it's draining into my throat, causing a little bit deeper than usual voice. This is pretty close to where my natural "male" voice is normally, but where my "female" voice is at right now due to the drainage. When I get back to normal I should be closer to the 190s when going female.



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You all have to remember that it is not the pitch to make you sound female, but the way you use your voice.  High pitch only makes you sound like a guy with a high pitched voice (like I used to be).  Females talk very different than men, their pitch moves way more along the scale when they talk (more half tones).  men talk pretty flat, with way less half tones.
No surgery of the world will enable you to use your voice like a female, it can (when lucky) only increase you pitch.  The hard work is to use the increased pitch to talk like a woman.  There is lots of information out on this on the net.
I learned to talk like this because for the last 10 or so years I had only female friends, and I adopted their speech pattern over time.  This made me still sound like a woman in daily life, even with my destroyed voice, as long as I could do a whole conversation.  I just sounded like a woman with a rotten sounding voice.  This did not work on the phone, because the few words I talked there did not show the female way of talking, and i was misgendered almost all the time.

To summarize my experience from being identified as a male, followed by easily talking like a female, going back into the male pitch mode, and now back to female, I can only emphasize to do voice training as much as you can, prior to any surgery.  Much of this can be done free of any costs by following the guidance found on the net.  And after that a voice coach (I don't know what they do, cause I am with a PhD pathologist), or a pathologist may be able to help you even more. 
And only after those specialists would recommend surgery as being needed, I would start to look into surgery.  But remember, the surgery increases your pitch only, all the other stuff requires as much exercise as it does for people who do not have surgery!  The negative aspect of surgery is the unknown outcome (I seem to remember that some ladies over at SP needed corrections), and the rather long healing time before any voice training can start!

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[member=2]Linde[/member] , you are correct. Parsody as a whole is what's important. Even with my pitch a bit on the low side due to my sinus stuff, I can still manage to be gendered female. Speech is a complex thing, and the differences between male and female are more complicated than simply hitting the right pitch.

Parsody is the combination of speech patterns such as intonation, tone, stress, and rhythm. Listening carefully to men and women speak you'll notice some big differences aside from just pitch. This is also an important thing for trans-masculine people to focus on. Many tend to still have feminine voices even after long periods on T. They develop the vocal range thanks to testosterone but if they don't learn how to access and use it, it goes unutilized.
 

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The latest feedback I got is that it wasn't my voice that outed me. Although it's at the lower end of the spectrum. The melody and also how you phrase things is at least similar important as pitch is.

If you want to know:
It was how I drove my car and how I played pool. Don't ask me what I do while playing pool, that could out me. The car driving might be a different story
 

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Well Thessa, I am not a very timid car driver either (that German Autobahn driving is still in me), but  Amber drives even with a hotter food than I do.  And nobody in the world would ever get the idea that Amber is anything but as female as they come!
I think many younger women drive as hard as their male counterparts!

Which voice analyzer did you use?

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Linde said:
Well Thessa, I am not a very timid car driver either (that German Autobahn driving is still in me), but  Amber drives even with a hotter food than I do.  And nobody in the world would ever get the idea that Amber is anything but as female as they come!
I think many younger women drive as hard as their male counterparts!

Which voice analyzer did you use?

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My Ex was driving, as we call it "wie eine gesenkte Sau". I was told it wasn't the Speed but more my Style of driving. I need to speak about it again when the opportunity arises. Hopefully soon, tomorrow the will impose a semi-curfew in Austria



 

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Linde said:
Well Thessa, I am not a very timid car driver either (that German Autobahn driving is still in me), but  Amber drives even with a hotter food than I do.  And nobody in the world would ever get the idea that Amber is anything but as female as they come!I think many younger women drive as hard as their male counterparts!



Here is one for you, Linde. Titled: "Driving in America as a German"...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgFhliAs0us
 

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[member=27]Thessa[/member], is this Android or Apple?

I just discovered that I can do a history of my voice over time with my app.  Before I had this phone, I did not have any way to measure my voice pitch, but I always thought my natural voice was in the lower female range, and I did do nothing to the pitch, but only focused on to speak like a female.  As you can see from the graph, I was off of the pitc I thought I had, and my natural voice was in the androgynous range.  That might have been high enough for being seen as a woman with a rather low voice, cause I was not misgendered, I think.  My therapist thought I sound a little like Marlene Dietrich (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7heXZPl2hik).  Well after I could see my pitch, I worked a little on my voice, following the advice of Natalie_Renee, and got it higher.  Towards the end of the graph you can see how the bronchitis destroyed my voice, and that I am slowly coming up from that hole again to be in a nice female range again.



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[member=27]Thessa[/member], is this Android or Apple?

I just discovered that I can do a history of my voice over time with my app.  Before I had this phone, I did not have any way to measure my voice pitch, but I always thought my natural voice was in the lower female range, and I did do nothing to the pitch, but only focused on to speak like a female.  As you can see from the graph, I was off of the pitc I thought I had, and my natural voice was in the androgynous range.  That might have been high enough for being seen as a woman with a rather low voice, cause I was not misgendered, I think.  My therapist thought I sound a little like Marlene Dietrich (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7heXZPl2hik).  Well after I could see my pitch, I worked a little on my voice, following the advice of Natalie_Renee, and got it higher.  Towards the end of the graph you can see how the bronchitis destroyed my voice, and that I am slowly coming up from that hole again to be in a nice female range again.



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I think it's available on both platforms. My phone is running on Android.

I had the other tool you are using on my old phone as well. The tool I have now was suggested by my speech therapist.
 

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Hi, I had 2 surgeries in Philadelphia after a year of worj with a voice pathologist. I had a CTS and a glottoplasty (done wrong). I have FemLar scheduled in October.
 
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