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Trying To Dismantle California

Donica

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Stop the Republican Recall!!!​

So the same Trumpsters that stormed our Capitol building are trying to put a republican governor in office for California. This is their 6th attempt to unseat Gov. Newsom. It looks like they may have the required signatures to warrant a recall vote. I'm voting to keep Gov. Newsom, or at least put another LGBT friendly democrat in the Gov. seat. We have had enough hatred and division in this country. Keep California Democratic!

California Gov. Gavin Newsom says he's 'worried' about recall effort - ABC News
 
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America is going down a very dark path with all of this new legislation. It already compares so unfavorably to other first world countries that it barely meets the definition. I have to say that in all honesty I saw more poverty in New York than I saw in the three months I was in Africa and I'd say you guys are at volume 5 of the fall of Rome. There are 7 volumes.
 

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Sadly, there is some irony here. This happened in large part because of an Aussie, Rupert Murdock. We have an extreme right party here and a spineless centrist party. The latest is that even when Dem's have a majority, they fail to use it. Say good bye to voting rights legislation and trans rights protections. The looney party will block all of it without having to say a word on the Senate floor. Thanks Joe Manchin! I think I've departed pessimism and entered heart break for the loss of the country to the wealthy and bigoted.
 
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Sadly, there is some irony here. This happened in large part because of an Aussie, Rupert Murdock.
Yes he is truly vile moni and left Australia as we wouldn’t let him own all the media due to regulations we have here that scum like him are still to this day trying to dismantle. Isn’t it funny how people talk about what a great system capitalism is when in reality it just allows the super rich to hijack the political process, amongst other things?
 

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A conservative once tried to tell me that if everyone voted, the poor would take over everything, elect people to give them all the money. This is one thought behind why they want to restrict voting. I am okay with capitalism, but when voting is restricted, political minorities win elections and then rig the system, capitalism runs amuck and you end up with oligarchy. This is what we now have here. The trans issue, well we are a tool to be used to focus the hate on someone, to motivate people to vote against their own interests. This issue and abortion and every other social wedge issue is why every single Republican politician can vote against a bill that polls with 70% approval. "At least those trannies aren't experimenting on young kids with drugs and beating all our girls in sports scholarships." Cynical? Yes! Reality? Yes!
 

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A conservative once tried to tell me that if everyone voted, the poor would take over everything, elect people to give them all the money. This is one thought behind why they want to restrict voting. I am okay with capitalism, but when voting is restricted, political minorities win elections and then rig the system, capitalism runs amuck and you end up with oligarchy. This is what we now have here. The trans issue, well we are a tool to be used to focus the hate on someone, to motivate people to vote against their own interests. This issue and abortion and every other social wedge issue is why every single Republican politician can vote against a bill that polls with 70% approval. "At least those trannies aren't experimenting on young kids with drugs and beating all our girls in sports scholarships." Cynical? Yes! Reality? Yes!
And the problem is that those trannies have not found a way to counter this. The more the trannies protest and do demos, the more it gets engraved into the Re-puke minds that the trannies are trying to take over.
Trannies are fighting among themselves to determine who is the better trans, instead of trying to find a strategy that changes this current trend. More demos and yelling louder does not cut it!

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A conservative once tried to tell me that if everyone voted, the poor would take over everything, elect people to give them all the money. This is one thought behind why they want to restrict voting. I am okay with capitalism, but when voting is restricted, political minorities win elections and then rig the system, capitalism runs amuck and you end up with oligarchy. This is what we now have here. The trans issue, well we are a tool to be used to focus the hate on someone, to motivate people to vote against their own interests. This issue and abortion and every other social wedge issue is why every single Republican politician can vote against a bill that polls with 70% approval. "At least those trannies aren't experimenting on young kids with drugs and beating all our girls in sports scholarships." Cynical? Yes! Reality? Yes!
unfortunately not cynical enough Moni. Here in Australia we have mandatory voting and yet poor people still get suckered into voting conservative using these same tactics of division as the ones you mentioned above. The big issue here is refugees coming to Australia by boat, which we deny entry to in violation of the UN convention on Human Rights, which scores big votes for conservatives unfortunately
And the problem is that those trannies have not found a way to counter this. The more the trannies protest and do demos, the more it gets engraved into the Re-puke minds that the trannies are trying to take over.
Trannies are fighting among themselves to determine who is the better trans, instead of trying to find a strategy that changes this current trend. More demos and yelling louder does not cut it!

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Tranny is a derogatory term Linde, it actually comes from transvestite, so, a cross dresser and not one who is transgender. I really wish that term would just go away tbh as the very term invalidates transgender identity by comparing it unfavorably to a man dressing in women's clothing.
 

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Tranny is a derogatory term Linde, it actually comes from transvestite, so, a cross dresser and not one who is transgender. I really wish that term would just go away tbh as the very term invalidates transgender identity by comparing it unfavorably to a man dressing in women's clothing.
I picked up Monis terminology here ""At least those trannies aren't experimenting" to follow her sarcasm.
Actually, most transphobes do not use the term tranny but more like women with penises, or women with beards, etc. We can turn it anyway we want, currently trans folks are loosing out big time, no matter how good Biden's intentions are. Because the laws that hurt us, are made on state level, and Biden cannot do anything about this. The politicians who make those laws, are not necessary anti trans themselves, but they see that they can score with these laws with the religious indoctrinated people in the Bible Belt states, and some conservative states in the Mid West. All this started when Reagan involved religious conservative groups more and more in governmental affairs, and the real top was reached under Trump!
To turn this around, we need to convince the voters that we re just normal people who do not eat little children, and loud and noisy demonstrations achieve exactly the opposite. We have to work on the basic political level, in one to one talks, and very limited, very positive activities.


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I picked up Monis terminology here ""At least those trannies aren't experimenting" to follow her sarcasm.
Actually, most transphobes do not use the term tranny but more like women with penises, or women with beards, etc. We can turn it anyway we want, currently trans folks are loosing out big time, no matter how good Biden's intentions are. Because the laws that hurt us, are made on state level, and Biden cannot do anything about this. The politicians who make those laws, are not necessary anti trans themselves, but they see that they can score with these laws with the religious indoctrinated people in the Bible Belt states, and some conservative states in the Mid West. All this started when Reagan involved religious conservative groups more and more in governmental affairs, and the real top was reached under Trump!
To turn this around, we need to convince the voters that we re just normal people who do not eat little children, and loud and noisy demonstrations achieve exactly the opposite. We have to work on the basic political level, in one to one talks, and very limited, very positive activities.


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Yes it is the same here with immigration, just a way for grubby politicians to score votes of ignorant peoples prejudices. Unfortunately I do not think that convincing the transphobes is an option as you cannot use logic or reason to get someone out of a position that they did not use logic or reason to arrive at and have often actively ignored these principles to hold onto their irrational hatred. Of course some will be convinced by science and by exposure to an transgender family member, friend, colleague but if that fails then you're dealing with a person who cannot be convinced otherwise. What is needed is for trans people to stand up and say enough is enough and demand legal protections and like, human rights and stuff. America has a severe issue with this and it seems to be disproportionately worse for trans people there than anywhere else (excluding muslim countries where it's a literal death sentence) and I think that it will take a systemic change that is unlikely to say the least before that happens unfortunately
 

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Donica, I'm with you. Newsom is the governor California needs. He got my vote when he ran &. he'll get my vote again if the recall election takes place.
 

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Michelle, one of the big problems here in the US is that these kind of issues are controlled by the individual states. It is not necessary that hey are the conservative states, I think it depends how much in fluence evangelical Christianity has there.

I live in one of the most conservative corners of a very conservative state, but evangelicals have hardly any strong influence here. And I neither see nor do I hear about any transgender problems. It seems as if the people from the Caribbean and Central America, who represent the majority of the population here, are more tolerant abut people who are not 100% cis.

I would not know what can be done with the religious conservative states, they found trans to be the new center for their hate, now that gays have become mainstream. Trans people may have to sit it out, the same as gay people did.

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Michelle, one of the big problems here in the US is that these kind of issues are controlled by the individual states. It is not necessary that hey are the conservative states, I think it depends how much in fluence evangelical Christianity has there.

I live in one of the most conservative corners of a very conservative state, but evangelicals have hardly any strong influence here. And I neither see nor do I hear about any transgender problems. It seems as if the people from the Caribbean and Central America, who represent the majority of the population here, are more tolerant abut people who are not 100% cis.

I would not know what can be done with the religious conservative states, they found trans to be the new center for their hate, now that gays have become mainstream. Trans people may have to sit it out, the same as gay people did.

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Yeah , religion, that thing. I am not sure why that is still such an issue but I would posit that perhaps people who are friends with an imaginary sky daddy should not be controlling policy especially given that separation of the church and state is enshrined under the US constitution under the first amendment, but that's just me
 

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Yeah , religion, that thing. I am not sure why that is still such an issue but I would posit that perhaps people who are friends with an imaginary sky daddy should not be controlling policy especially given that separation of the church and state is enshrined under the US constitution under the first amendment, but that's just me
As I said, this separation of church and state thing was given up starting with Reagan!

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As I said, this separation of church and state thing was given up starting with Reagan!

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that's a real shame, I Would have hoped in this day and age we would have come further
 

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To turn this around, we need to convince the voters that we re just normal people who do not eat little children, and loud and noisy demonstrations achieve exactly the opposite. We have to work on the basic political level, in one to one talks, and very limited, very positive activities.
I think there is a lot of push-back aimed at the politicians in Arkansas, but some very closed minds. It may have to be fixed at the next election. (I guess this means I have to stop eating children? J )

given that separation of the church and state is enshrined under the US constitution under the first amendment, but that's just me

There is not really a separation clause. It is more "Congress shall make no law establishing a religion or prohibiting the free exercise of it." The problem comes in where a religion affects someone else's rights. I cannot tell someone what they have to believe, but they also don't get to tell me I have no right to exist. These laws are essentially saying I have no right to exist, at least in public. This may take awhile to get resolved, and it may require another election or the supreme court. Not sure the court will make it any better.

I am as much a Christian as any of these people coming up with these laws. I have some very good friends here who are not. We are still good friends, regardless. I must be reading a different bible than some of these idiots, because my bible says to love. Denying medical care is NOT love!

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