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Linde

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Mike, voice and Adams Apple are not closely related. The Adams Apple allows for a larger voice box, and thus for linger vocal cords. That might result into a more booming base voice. However, enough men with low voices have no, or only small Adams Apples. It might be a genetic thing.

Yes, way more people than thought havevat least slight intersex syndromes.
Specific tests are in development to allow a family physician to do quick tests for it.

A very important question is to determine what is intersex, and what are mutations.

For example, early hypogonadism is seen by some as intersex, by others as mutation.
I think it is intetsex, because it prohibited my body to have a puberty, or develope any secondary sex characteristics of either gender.
What more in the middle between sexes can one be?

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At least Katie is getting "Male Fail" when going out and about in male mode. Just wait until the wife witnesses that happening. LOL!
 

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Donna, it is so amazing to see you 'living your dream' and it does seem to be a strong indication of your future happiness! I have to admit to being jealous that you have a naturally feminine figure, though I am accepted, I know I could never have a female shape.

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Allie, I feel EXTREMELY lucky and grateful, I never expected this. I think 8 years on Spiro made some improvement to the feminine side but the majority of it was always there, any even when I was going through puberty I thought that I had more of a feminine body and was not developing a masculine one.

I am rather tall though for a woman, 5 ft 9 inches and I am taller than every woman that I encounter, and a few have commented on my height, but on the other hand, it does make you stand out.

Now I wish I had done this a long time ago, although times have changed so much in our favor that I was not willing to go through the difficulty of it socially. There has never been a better time for a transgender person to transition. It has been my experience that people are ready now to accept transgender women, at least some of my friends, but not the majority.

It's like when I have an encounter with a black person. I make an effort to be more friendly than I would to someone else I did not know, because I want to show them that not all white people are bigoted. I think some of my friends are doing that and people that know me but are just acquaintances seem to be doing that. They don't want to appear bigoted and I think at the condo where I live there might even be peer pressure to not seem unaccepting.

For some reason, people that were friends, people that spent the most time time with me can't make the conversion. Any ideas why that might be true?

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Allie, I feel EXTREMELY lucky and grateful, I never expected this. I think 8 years on Spiro made some improvement to the feminine side but the majority of it was always there, any even when I was going through puberty I thought that I had more of a feminine body and was not developing a masculine one.

I am rather tall though for a woman, 5 ft 9 inches and I am taller than every woman that I encounter, and a few have commented on my height, but on the other hand, it does make you stand out.

Now I wish I had done this a long time ago, although times have changed so much in our favor that I was not willing to go through the difficulty of it socially. There has never been a better time for a transgender person to transition. It has been my experience that people are ready now to accept transgender women, at least some of my friends, but not the majority.

It's like when I have an encounter with a black person. I make an effort to be more friendly than I would to someone else I did not know, because I want to show them that not all white people are bigoted. I think some of my friends are doing that and people that know me but are just acquaintances seem to be doing that. They don't want to appear bigoted and I think at the condo where I live there might even be peer pressure to not seem unaccepting.

For some reason, people that were friends, people that spent the most time time with me can't make the conversion. Any ideas why that might be true?

Donna
I got in trouble for having black friends when I was just a little kid. My adoptive parents did not approve, and their parents did not approve of them having a white friend. Even after I got out of school, I had friends that just so happened to be black, as well as Hispanic. I found it interesting the Hispanic friends could introduce me to their families, and everything was fine. The same could never be said for the families of my black friends.

It could be that the families just had too much mistrust built up towards white people. I never understood why until I was well into my transition, and developed mistrust towards people I did not know. People had to be introduced to me, and I had to observe them before I could figure out how much to trust any particular person, and I am still like that.

I am sure someone might call me a racist for not automatically trusting a black person I do not know. The fact is that I do not automatically trust anybody I do not know, no matter what the color of their skin, hair, or eyes. It is not paranoia. It is wisdom.
 

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Donna, I am fulltime quite a bit longer than you, but I, like almost all of us wish that we would have changed earlier in life. I lost at least 10 years by waffeling back and force. And this caused me to lose 10 years of the happy life of a woman.
Butb it is water under the bridge now, and I try to live a happy life in the future.
My current journy is part of this.
I might have traveled for close to 5000 miles when I am back home.

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I got in trouble for having black friends when I was just a little kid. My adoptive parents did not approve, and their parents did not approve of them having a white friend. Even after I got out of school, I had friends that just so happened to be black, as well as Hispanic. I found it interesting the Hispanic friends could introduce me to their families, and everything was fine. The same could never be said for the families of my black friends.

It could be that the families just had too much mistrust built up towards white people. I never understood why until I was well into my transition, and developed mistrust towards people I did not know. People had to be introduced to me, and I had to observe them before I could figure out how much to trust any particular person, and I am still like that.

I am sure someone might call me a racist for not automatically trusting a black person I do not know. The fact is that I do not automatically trust anybody I do not know, no matter what the color of their skin, hair, or eyes. It is not paranoia. It is wisdom.
You are a product of your experiences.

For years I did not like black people because of an experience I had when I was in high school in the 60s. I was working as a caddy at a golf club and would hitch hike to and from the golf course.

One of the rides dropped me off in a bad neighborhood. I had my brand new transistor radio that I bought with my earnings. Two young black boys jumped me and took the radio and ran into an alley. I was smart enough not to go after them but that experience tainted my opinion of blacks until the Civil rights movement and then I matured and got over the robbery incident.

As far as trusting anyone, I think you have to do it the other way around. You trust someone until they show you otherwise, because the default is most people are trust worthy. At least they have been in my life.

I also think most black people are trust worthy, You only hear about a minority that is not.

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I agree with you Donna. I believe that most people, independent of their skin color, are good. I am carefull with strangers until I know them better.
My two best cis friends at home are black, and I love both of them bevause they are gentle people.

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I agree with you Donna. I believe that most people, independent of their skin color, are good. I am carefull with strangers until I know them better.
My two best cis friends at home are black, and I love both of them bevause they are gentle people.

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Being careful with some one you just meet is wise and not wrong. That's not the same as not trusting. The relationship should progress quickly to trusting once you get to know eachother.

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Being careful with some one you just meet is wise and not wrong. That's not the same as not trusting. The relationship should progress quickly to trusting once you get to know eachother.

Donna

I agree with this. Being careful with strangers is common sense until you get to know them. Being who we are factors into that as well, because we are not thought of well in some groups. Before I knew what transgender was, I heard things that were pretty horrible and not who I am. When I found out what transgender actually meant, I realized I am one. I have had some pretty close friends of several races including black. They were the same as me. Color/Race was not part of the equation. It should NOT ever be!

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This voyage of mine taught me that people are more tolerant and acepting of us than I thought they were.
Last night I was together with about 20 people of a bikers group. All were older and definitive conservative. I don't know how many knew that I used to present as a man, but not a single one of them said anything, or acted improperly. They included me into the conversations like they would include anybody.
This trip was a big test for me, and I found that my life on the road as a woman was not anymore challenging than my life as a man was a few years ago, when I made a similar trip through the upper part of the west, still presenting as a guy.

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When I worked at a night club as a bouncer, I was still early into my transition. The place was certainly frequented by the Hells Angels motorcycle club. Members wore colors from all over the world, as they had patches showing which chapters they belonged to. The only ones in colors I had any problems with were the prospects. But, even they backed down when I raised my flashlight (an aluminum flashlight that held 6 D-cell batteries).

I met various bikers from other clubs in other places and never had any problems. The only so called biker I ever met that gave me any real grief was an old drunk that was just mad that my old clunker of a bike was still better than his. That old drunk started to draw his pistol when I grabbed mine, but never even pulled it out. Knowing he was beat, he backed down.

I may have only lived in California for 9 years, but it feels like a lifetime with all the drama from the people I've encountered there.
 

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You are a product of your experiences.

For years I did not like black people because of an experience I had when I was in high school in the 60s. I was working as a caddy at a golf club and would hitch hike to and from the golf course.

One of the rides dropped me off in a bad neighborhood. I had my brand new transistor radio that I bought with my earnings. Two young black boys jumped me and took the radio and ran into an alley. I was smart enough not to go after them but that experience tainted my opinion of blacks until the Civil rights movement and then I matured and got over the robbery incident.

As far as trusting anyone, I think you have to do it the other way around. You trust someone until they show you otherwise, because the default is most people are trust worthy. At least they have been in my life.

I also think most black people are trust worthy, You only hear about a minority that is not.

Donna
I think you confused trust with respect. I show respect towards everybody, whether I know them or not. Trust must be earned, not freely given.
 

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Sarah, that's a good point and clarification in what we have been trying to say. Yes, we should respect everyone, at least at first.

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Hey Katie, just a thought. We’ve met and I can totally see how you would “male fail” and be taken as a cis woman at the shoe store. It’s affirming and a good experience. Was curious if you and your wife have discussed when to tell the children?
 
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