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Jeopardy Transgender Contestant Amy Schneider

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As of today (12/27/2021) Amy Schneider has won for the 19th day in a row as contestant on the hit show Jeopardy! For those who don't know about her she is actually a transgender woman. Granted she is not the very first transgender contestant on that show, but she is getting up there as the biggest earner on there. How many of you are also following her success on there, or have started to recently after finding out about her success?
 

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I was told about her success by my mother, but I have no time for watching tv. Kudos to her though for her success!
 

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Kudos to Amy Schneider!!!
 

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I just learned that sometime the week before Christmas that Amy surpassed the all time female contestant money earners at $655,930! Source Yahoo.com/entertainment Tuesday 12/28/2021 article by Raechal Shewfelt.
 

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People who say those things are really crapping all over women everywhere in the world. They're saying that women aren't as good, attractive, athletic, or as smart as a person born with a male body/brain. They're REALLY being condescending toward people born with female bodies and brains.

With that said there are many cases where amab does have such a huge, distinct, and unfair advantage that they shouldn't be allowed to compete against other women. In a lot of cases it's like a senior college athlete competing against a junior high student. A junior high school student MIGHT be able to win once in 10,000 tries against a college athlete....but that's the rare unicorn case. But normally there's not competition between them.

For instance Lia Thomas, the trans woman on the Penn swimming team. She's the best example of how big an advantage a trans woman has over a cis woman, and I don't think it's fair at all. If I were her I'd have been so ashamed after my first race I wouldn't have accepted the win.

She's shattering records that have stood the test of time. I mean absolutely shattering them. She's setting records that no afab will EVER beat. In a recent race she beat the second person by 38 SECONDS!!!! I've watched swimming nearly all my life (I was a junior high and high school swimmer) and have never heard of something like that happening before.

Even though she's suppressed her testosterone for a year, Lia is still good enough to compete on the men's team, so there's not one doubt in anyone's mind who's going to win in any of her races when she's competing on the women's team. She 100%, without a doubt, will blow all the other competitors away and I don't think that's fair. Sports are meant to be competitive and there's no competition in any of her races.

I'll probably get roasted alive for how I feel about this, but since I've always seen myself as a woman I always--ALWAYS try to come to the defense of other women. I always pull for women over men in every instance, and I've always seen myself as a feminist I guess you'd say. We, as trans women, have to think of what's fair for the good of all women. And letting just one woman have this huge advantage over all other women isn't right.

Now as a trans woman myself I know that Lia Thomas is indeed 100 percent a woman...but she was still born with a male body, has athletically trained her body to have a male's strength, stamina, muscle power, and lung size, AND she's still good enough to compete against men on a professional level. So I don't think it's fair to the other girls on her swim team, or the competitors they race against, that she's able to use all those advantages to blow every other woman out of the water. It's a distinct, and unfair advantage.

I'll probably be roasted alive for this thought too, but I believe that when trans people come out there may be certain things it's only fair to give up, and competing against women in sports like weightlifting, running, and swimming are just a few of those things. I'll repeat this again because it's the basis of my whole argument....a person with a male's strength, stamina, muscle power, and lung size are almost always at a distinct advantage and very few, if any, cis females can fairly compete against them.

I've been on hormones for two and a half years now and while I've definitely lost strength, I'm still much stronger than the average woman. I can't even begin to fathom how much stronger I'd be if I'd been a professional athlete before I transitioned. And if I had been a professional athlete before I transitioned I would retire from competing, I think it's the only fair thing to do. There are ways to still compete without things being completely unfair.

A couple of years ago I was talking to a trans woman on a forum who, as a male, competed in some kind of track and field events...I think it was running short marathons or something like that...I can't really remember. She didn't want to quit competing after her transition, and she didn't want to compete against the men. But she saw and acknowledged all of her advantages over cis women.

In the first race she ran against women she blew them all away. And after that race, which she won by a huge margin, she felt so bad about being on the top of the podium that she only accepted that one win. After every other race, which she won handily, she'd always politely decline the win and the medal that went along with it, and she'd quietly step aside and let the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place competitors stand on the podium and receive their medals for first, second, and third. She knew in her heart that it was unfair if she did otherwise. I had great respect for her for doing that. I remember that story when the subject of trans women in sports comes up. I wish I could remember who she was because I'd be interested in knowing how she's doing nowadays.

With all that said I definitely don't think we have an unfair advantage at trivia games or beauty pageants though. Cis females have more of an advantage at beauty pageants in most cases, and there shouldn't be any advantages between any of us when competing in trivia games.

I know that some of you might have very strong rebuttals against what I said. Try not to get too mean if you come at me with them. I'm only human and this is just how I feel.
 

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I've been keeping up with Amy too. I'm a little behind but I have all of her shows recorded. I was caught up with them until the "professor's tournament" happened. I think I'm only about a week behind right now. I'll get caught up this weekend though. She's awesome and a good representation for trans people.
 

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People who say those things are really crapping all over women everywhere in the world. They're saying that women aren't as good, attractive, athletic, or as smart as a person born with a male body/brain. They're REALLY being condescending toward people born with female bodies and brains.

With that said there are many cases where amab does have such a huge, distinct, and unfair advantage that they shouldn't be allowed to compete against other women. In a lot of cases it's like a senior college athlete competing against a junior high student. A junior high school student MIGHT be able to win once in 10,000 tries against a college athlete....but that's the rare unicorn case. But normally there's not competition between them.

For instance Lia Thomas, the trans woman on the Penn swimming team. She's the best example of how big an advantage a trans woman has over a cis woman, and I don't think it's fair at all. If I were her I'd have been so ashamed after my first race I wouldn't have accepted the win.

She's shattering records that have stood the test of time. I mean absolutely shattering them. She's setting records that no afab will EVER beat. In a recent race she beat the second person by 38 SECONDS!!!! I've watched swimming nearly all my life (I was a junior high and high school swimmer) and have never heard of something like that happening before.

Even though she's suppressed her testosterone for a year, Lia is still good enough to compete on the men's team, so there's not one doubt in anyone's mind who's going to win in any of her races when she's competing on the women's team. She 100%, without a doubt, will blow all the other competitors away and I don't think that's fair. Sports are meant to be competitive and there's no competition in any of her races.

I'll probably get roasted alive for how I feel about this, but since I've always seen myself as a woman I always--ALWAYS try to come to the defense of other women. I always pull for women over men in every instance, and I've always seen myself as a feminist I guess you'd say. We, as trans women, have to think of what's fair for the good of all women. And letting just one woman have this huge advantage over all other women isn't right.

Now as a trans woman myself I know that Lia Thomas is indeed 100 percent a woman...but she was still born with a male body, has athletically trained her body to have a male's strength, stamina, muscle power, and lung size, AND she's still good enough to compete against men on a professional level. So I don't think it's fair to the other girls on her swim team, or the competitors they race against, that she's able to use all those advantages to blow every other woman out of the water. It's a distinct, and unfair advantage.

I'll probably be roasted alive for this thought too, but I believe that when trans people come out there may be certain things it's only fair to give up, and competing against women in sports like weightlifting, running, and swimming are just a few of those things. I'll repeat this again because it's the basis of my whole argument....a person with a male's strength, stamina, muscle power, and lung size are almost always at a distinct advantage and very few, if any, cis females can fairly compete against them.

I've been on hormones for two and a half years now and while I've definitely lost strength, I'm still much stronger than the average woman. I can't even begin to fathom how much stronger I'd be if I'd been a professional athlete before I transitioned. And if I had been a professional athlete before I transitioned I would retire from competing, I think it's the only fair thing to do. There are ways to still compete without things being completely unfair.

A couple of years ago I was talking to a trans woman on a forum who, as a male, competed in some kind of track and field events...I think it was running short marathons or something like that...I can't really remember. She didn't want to quit competing after her transition, and she didn't want to compete against the men. But she saw and acknowledged all of her advantages over cis women.

In the first race she ran against women she blew them all away. And after that race, which she won by a huge margin, she felt so bad about being on the top of the podium that she only accepted that one win. After every other race, which she won handily, she'd always politely decline the win and the medal that went along with it, and she'd quietly step aside and let the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place competitors stand on the podium and receive their medals for first, second, and third. She knew in her heart that it was unfair if she did otherwise. I had great respect for her for doing that. I remember that story when the subject of trans women in sports comes up. I wish I could remember who she was because I'd be interested in knowing how she's doing nowadays.

With all that said I definitely don't think we have an unfair advantage at trivia games or beauty pageants though. Cis females have more of an advantage at beauty pageants in most cases, and there shouldn't be any advantages between any of us when competing in trivia games.

I know that some of you might have very strong rebuttals against what I said. Try not to get too mean if you come at me with them. I'm only human and this is just how I feel.
Lexxi, I am 3 years on HRT and no T, but still way stronger than cis women, and many men! I read an article on fairness in sport which cited an number of dominant athletes and the physical differences they enjoyed to make them unbeatable, like Michael Phelps ability to only produce half the lactic acid as a normal person, so he was never limited by endurance or tiredness. The author suggested that if we really wanted fairness in sport, we would abandon gender and adopt an overall performance index, so you always competed against people within an ability range.

I know I have a strength advantage, so I would never compete as a female in any strength sports. I have poor co ordination, so I don't have any advantage in sports like tennis, and women like playing me. So I would not condemn you for your honest opinion based on an objective view!

Hugs,

Allie
 

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For instance Lia Thomas, the trans woman on the Penn swimming team. She's the best example of how big an advantage a trans woman has over a cis woman, and I don't think it's fair at all. If I were her I'd have been so ashamed after my first race I wouldn't have accepted the win.
A little context for Lia's success.


 

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I've been keeping up with Amy too. I'm a little behind but I have all of her shows recorded. I was caught up with them until the "professor's tournament" happened. I think I'm only about a week behind right now. I'll get caught up this weekend though. She's awesome and a good representation for trans people.
I’ll just note here that in her most recent meet, Lia was soundly trounced by a pre-testosterone trans man, beating Lia’s times by over a minute in one event. What was that about inherent biological advantage again?

‘Biological sex’ is not a binary, but a fully overlapping set of physical traits with different normative values (maxima) corresponding roughly to the cultural binary model of sexes.
 

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‘Biological sex’ is not a binary, but a fully overlapping set of physical traits with different normative values (maxima) corresponding roughly to the cultural binary model of sexes.
I don't even like to say biological sex, because that misses out on almost all intersex people. We are not a clearly definable biological sex, the most clear example are CAIS females, which are male inside their body, but have a very female phenotype.

I prefer to use the natal female or male term.


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