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This is a very long video, but worth watching. It is about Intersex and the bible:

 

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Her life and experience was very similar to mine. I was fixed and made male.
Thanks for posting this.

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Her life and experience was very similar to mine. I was fixed and made male.
Thanks for posting this.

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I thought of you and Katie as I watched it, but especially you Linde. I also lean toward thinking most of us here could fit the description of Eunuch as mentioned in the bible.

I would be considered a Christian fundamentalist by most, but I know the bible says a lot of things that never get mentioned in church. You might not agree with me biblically, but I will not condemn you. I take my cues from the 2 new commandments Jesus gave us. We are to love above all and what much of the church puts out is NOT love.
 

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Mike, it is what my most favorid nice, the Methodit pastor says about me: God makes no mistakes, God made you, because of this, you can't be a mistake, because God makes no mistakes.

Because of the fact that I know that I am not a mistake, nothing, what some of the churches say, bothers me.
I know that God loves me, otherwise I would not be able to be a happy woman driving her old van across the USA.

Many "normal" persons of my age, those who sit in those churches all the time, have either lost their minds, or hardly can move anymore, and are full of hatered.
While I drive this old van, and am full of joy and happiness, and having a ball meeting all of you.


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I can’t prove that I have some intersex condition, but my wife and I have long suspected it. She actually suspected it before I came out to her. But since it did not result in any abnormalities with my genitals (aside from testes that didn’t want to descend as a child) and I was fertile, nobody ever thought much about it. And I never wanted to say anything about the other symptoms because it would have meant having to face a physical identity that was closer to the female identity I was trying desperately to suppress and hide.

I can relate to this person. I was made to be something I never chose to be, and quite honestly wasn’t even sure what exactly I am. When I first joined the other site, my username was “WhatAmI”. I had felt that confusion and uncertainty since childhood, and didn’t begin to reconcile it until my late 30s. But I became a Christian at the age of 15 and my gender identity stuff never for a moment ruined or killed my faith. Until I came out and my wife became aware of it, I never really had a concept of it being an obstacle to my faith or salvation. It became an issue when other people decided I was on the road to hell for being what I am.
 

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Katie,

I think Intersex can come in many variations and degrees. I don't know exactly where to draw the line, but I think many of us have it to some small degree. May not be provable, but my opinion. I think you don't claim it without proof and that is commendable, but my opinion says you are.

You've read my transgender and Christian story here. One thing I have never admitted before is that for most of my teenage years I stayed close to suicide, thinking about it all the time. Becoming Christian at 25 helped me put a life together and live with what was within me. I just didn't understand what IT was until the beginning of this year. I truly believed that finding my neighbor after his suicide when I was a child just messed me up. I have not had to face what you did at my church, but there are several there that do not know yet. As you are aware, dysphoria is not what is driving me and I don't have the social need. I don't intend to inform everyone about me, but I do intend to make them realize their thinking is flawed. As Moni so wisely said: "We can be an advocate for being trans."

I had to do something a couple weeks ago that was extremely hard for me. I did the music for a wedding and there was one song that totally reminded me of my teenage years. I almost refused to play it, because it caused me to have such strong emotions. What many of us had to grow up with was borderline cruel for some and outright cruel for others.

I could have used "WhatAmI" as you did when I first joined the other site. I just thought that confused1 really described me. I was absolutely and thoroughly confused.

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Catholic doctrine currently mandates that there is only male and female, and that intersex persons must be assigned to one or the other.

Efforts to go beyond the constitutive male-female sexual difference, such as the ideas of “intersex” or “transgender”, lead to a masculinity or feminity that is ambiguous, even though (in a self-contradictory way), these concepts themselves actually presuppose the very sexual difference that they propose to negate or supersede.
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“MALE AND FEMALE HE CREATED THEM”

TOWARDS A PATH OF DIALOGUE
ON THE QUESTION OF GENDER THEORY IN EDUCATION,

VATICAN CITY 2019

In "Seeing through the Intersex Confusion", Fr. Tad Pacholczyk, Director of Education at The National Catholic Bioethics Center in Philadelphia, writes that even when difficult to discern, We must carefully acknowledge, nurture and accept our given embodied sexual nature as male or female.

The church does not acknowledge the existence or validity of an intersex identity, any more than a transgender identity. The concept of gender identity is considered to be wrong.

(I'm a result and victim of 12 years of Catholic education, and I closely monitor what this particular influential religion is up to.)
 

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Hi Michelle,

I am also a product (victim) of the catholic church. I believed them hook, line and sinker until I was about 18 years old. Once I realized they had lied to me about one thing I figured out I had been fed several lies. At that point I stopped worrying what they were up to and a few years later I actually found out who Jesus is. I wasn't in a church when it happened, although I have attended many different churches since. I think the catholic religion has caused a lot of people to "fall away" from God.

Please don't take this wrong. The catholic hierarchy can say whatever it wants about Intersex. I know a few people who are for sure Intersex (more than one of them on this website) and it doesn't matter to me what the catholic hierarchy thinks about it. All they really need to do is read their own bible. They can say airplanes don't exist if they want to. I actually had to educate the Pastor of my current church about Intersex people and he used to be a nurse. Ignorance is widespread and not just in the churches.

I am only concerned with what Jesus thinks of me and not some form of organized religion. I have found by studying the bible for better than 40 years that there are several things in the bible not being taught in churches. (and some things that are not biblical being taught as if they are) I am still learning. I have several bibles including a catholic bible and even a copy of the 1611 KJV with the original wording to guide me. I wish I could read Greek or Hebrew to see what the original words were before the current translations were written.

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Wow guys. I, too was raised catholic, but the more I find out about Catholicism in the US, I come to the conclusion that those denominatios are the same on paper only.
I don't feel that the church influenced my life this much as you describe it.
Where I grew up, catholic is almost the only church present. In my hometown with a population of 350k people, we had two lutheran churches only. The rest of the population was catholic.
This might be the difference, the church dod not need to be overly dogmatic anymore?
Anyway, I know that am as intersex as they come, but I really don't care what some clergy (except my niece) feel about this. Being intersex, i. e., being different, made my life harder when I was young, and it makes it easier for me now. No clergy helped me when I was suffring from it, and I for sure don't care about them these days. They can interpret the bible any way they want, I don't care. I know that God loves me, because God allowed me to grow into the happy woman I am these days, and God is still guiding me along on my path.

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Wow guys. I, too was raised catholic, but the more I find out about Catholicism in the US, I come to the conclusion that those denominatios are the same on paper only.
I don't feel that the church influenced my life this much as you describe it.

Hi Linde,

We moved when I was 14 and I ended up in a second catholic church. It was in a different town, but pretty much identical to what I had experienced earlier. I don't know how much diversity there is in that church, but I didn't belong there anyway.

On another note, I took this video to my Pastor today. He was deeply moved and even cried. He told me he will never see a Eunuch the same way again! It forced him to realize scripture says something different than what he thought. He told me that he knew not everyone in our congregation would be receptive, but he actually asked me to start showing it individually to the ones that I though would be!

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Mike
 
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