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All about the rise of TERFs

Linde

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This is an article that describes the rise of TERFs and anti trans (mostly women) movements. Read it, and you understand what's going on!

 

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Big reason why I'm afraid to use the women's room every time I go in there. I don't want to be blamed for the laws that follow.
 

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I found that to be very interesting, and explosive. I fail to understand why you hang out with them. Surely, it cannot be for a chance of finding somebody to love. I am positive you realize there is nothing you can do to change any viewpoint those misguided ladies have regarding anyone that is trans. The more radicals hang out with radicals, the more radical they get. The article even mentioned that these groups have been influencing the government since the Reagan administration, making things harder for those like us.
Sarah, if I can catch one newcomer there a year, and make them to accept trans women, I have achieved something already. It is not as if I hang around those people daily, but I look into those groups regularly.


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This is something that was posted a long time ago on another forum. I forgot who posted it but copied it down as I thought it was good at the time. I’ll reproduce it here in its entirety.

In my ill-informed opinion you aren’t a real woman because (top 10 reasons):

1) You don’t have a uterus

Lot’s of women don’t. What, you think that’s what makes a woman? That’s weird. So women who have hysterectomies are not women? It sounds like your definitionof a woman is confused with ‘baby-making factory’. That’s a prime slice of misogyny right there.

2) You have XY chromosomes

Do I? I haven’t checked. I presume I do, but I might not. Frankly, who cares? Some women are born with a vagina and uterus and all that but are XY. Some are born with XX, some dudes are born with a penis and have XXY, some people are born intersex. Chromosomal sex as a determiner of womanhood is problematic at best. Are you going to gene test everybody you meet before using their correct pronoun? It sounds like you are looking for excuses to gatekeep who is and isn’t female.

3) You’ve never had a period

True. Thank God! Still, there are plenty of lucky women who either don’t bleed, or don’t cramp, or both. Are they not women because they are lucky enough to not suffer? Try again.

4) You’ve got a penis.

So you presume. Maybe I have, maybe I haven’t. None of your damn business, and it wouldn’t make a lick of difference either way because you are conflating physical sex with gender. Do you go around lifting the skirts of every girl you meet? What a charmer!

5) You didn’t have universally female experiences growing up.

Didn’t I? Let’s break that down. Firstly, your definition of womanhood is that a woman is defined by a certain narrow set of formative experiences. What about women from other times and cultures? What about women who had a different upbringing than yours? Are they not women? Your arbitrary list probably excludes a lot of women that you know. Secondly, you are presuming that I didn’t have those universal experiences. Whatever your arbitrary list of experiences is, I think you’d be surprised.

6) You had male privilege.

Yep. It was delicious. I’m giving it all up. In an ideal world, we’d all have those many invisible privileges that men have. As a guy, I wasn't even aware of half the privileges I had. I’m sure I’ll discover a lot more as I lose them

7) You just want to invade women’s spaces, maybe to spy on women

Yep, you caught me. That’s been my plan all along. All those years of hiding and pain, followed by expensive surgeries, just so I can gatecrash your tea party and use the women’s bathroom. Guilty. That’s totally what it’s about. As a trans woman; I’m far more likely to be sexually assaulted in a bathroom than a cis woman, far more likely to face violence and bigotry, and will likely have a far harder time of things post-transition. But it’s all going to be tooootaly worth it if I can maybe one day catch a glimpse of another woman’s boob in the bathroom. Ya got me.

8) You weren’t ‘born a woman’, so you don’t get to claim you are one now... I’m just keeping it real.

I get it. Your an asshole. You weren’t born an adult, so you don’t get to claim to be one now.

9) I just guy-level don’t like trans people so I want to claim you aren’t a woman to make your life miserable.

You hate me, I get it. Nothing I say will change your mind about me, so I’m not going to try. Kindly F off and die die die in a fire. Thank you/

10) I’m a trans person deeply in the closet and am working hard to maintain my disguise so I’m going to parrot one of the above objections.

Oh honey, Sweetheart, I see you.
 
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Linde, This TERF thing — so dangerous, so unfortunate, so sad! People seem to find so many justifications for hate. We need allies who understand and accept us. Nancy
 

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Emma, I place terfs, anti vaxxers, flat earthers, Covid and climate deniers in the same box. These people live in fantasy, refuse to admit what is in front of them, and won't listen to scientific or even rational thinking. So rather than try to convince them they are wrong, I find it better to give them the discredit they deserve.

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Emma, I place terfs, anti vaxxers, flat earthers, Covid and climate deniers in the same box. These people live in fantasy, refuse to admit what is in front of them, and won't listen to scientific or even rational thinking. So rather than try to convince them they are wrong, I find it better to give them the discredit they deserve.

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Allie, the problem is that the TERF's have a certain political influence, and specifically in the UK with it's current government are involved in making laws. While the anti vaxxers and flat earth people just hurt themselves, the TERF's are set out to hurt us.

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I think your time would be better spent trying to converse with politicians or allies trying to figure out how to get some laws passed in our favor. When you spend all your time talking to TERFS, who will NEVER change their mind, it seems like a bit of a waste of time. You have a big brain and you could put it to use trying to help our cause instead of spending time with the enemy.

That's just my two cents worth...of course you're free to do whatever you want to do and no one should ever hold that against you.
 

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Allie, the problem is that the TERF's have a certain political influence, and specifically in the UK with it's current government are involved in making laws. While the anti vaxxers and flat earth people just hurt themselves, the TERF's are set out to hurt us.

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Linde, the worst thing we can do with Terfs in any country, is debate them. They will not change their thinking, and they use superficial arguments which don't stand intense scrutiny, but in a debate, you don't get the opportunity for such scrutiny. The best way to handle Terfs is to discredit them. To point out that they refuse to recognise 2%, or 150 million of the worlds population, and group them with similarly discredited groups.

I am out in public as a transgender woman, but can never see myself as a complete woman as I hold beliefs similar to Terfs. I don't have the biological features or social development I would require to see myself as a woman, but I see and recognise the 150 million people like me, and I support their right to find happiness in all communities. The general non trans populations also find similar beliefs to terfs, so if we debate them in public, we are destined to lose, and not just the argument, but our place in society.

Oh! and anti vaxxers hurt everybody because they prevent to removal of diseases like polio.

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5) You didn’t have universally female experiences growing up.

Loved the whole thing Emma but this one gets me. I'd say I have more shared life experience with a middle class white cis woman of similar age than either of us do with a young, poor woman of color, cis or trans.
 

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Yes, this is a dangerous thing. We must all join together to protect each other. We seek to obtain a homeland in which transsexuals live, a land belonging to them, all societies that offend transsexuals, even though we are nice to others. We want to cross what we feel
This I feel Christian
 

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I smile to think of Linde wading in talking with TERFs and maybe reaching some.

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I smile to think of Linde wading in talking with TERFs and maybe reaching some.

Backbone ❤

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Well, once in awhile I get locked for a week or two, but I go in again, and try to reach some who are still curable.

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10) I’m a trans person deeply in the closet and am working hard to maintain my disguise so I’m going to parrot one of the above objections.

I actually encountered someone exactly like this on Quora once. Person kept arguing with me about the Bible and how gender dysphoria is a demonic oppression and all that rot. Eventually I wore the person down on their arguments and asked why they are so frequently found asking and answering questions about gender dysphoria. Then they admitted they suffer from it. I had to pop their bubble, you're just hurting yourself by denying yourself.
 

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TERFs. Hmmmmph! I think y'all should reflect on your own shortcomings. I get it. Most of y'all have been married to women and had kids. Most of y'all are still attracted to women. I never expected heterophobia out of this group. In my mind, that makes that heterophobic members just as bad as the TERFs.
 

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TERFs. Hmmmmph! I think y'all should reflect on your own shortcomings. I get it. Most of y'all have been married to women and had kids. Most of y'all are still attracted to women. I never expected heterophobia out of this group. In my mind, that makes that heterophobic members just as bad as the TERFs.
I don't understand this Sarah. I did not come across anybody here who is heterophobic? In fact, i wish i would be hetero, as I have stated several times all over the place.
Who is heterophobic in your opinion? You are correct, we do not want any phobias getting around in this forum.

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I don't understand this Sarah. I did not come across anybody here who is heterophobic? In fact, i wish i would be hetero, as I have stated several times all over the place.
Who is heterophobic in your opinion? You are correct, we do not want any phobias getting around in this forum.

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